On suffering | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2024
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Saanen 1977 - Extract #1 from Public Meeting #5
'On suffering'
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He cried. His expressions are so meaningful for him.
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He wasn't crying. He has allergies. His eyes tear. He mentioned it before.
@sanekaNo,he is really crying this time
Its not cry. Its just his brain dissolves images. When brain listens without experience or memory, words penetrate to brain. Not only that. Knowledge stays without any memory. Can't able to think as thinking causes head ache. So no image making and he doesn't creaty memory, he is not here. Its voice what we listening Nd enquiry of ourself
I will never get tired of listening to this man speak. A guiding light for many years for me
By saying this you have wasted What he tried to do!! Be a light to yourself . Do not depend On anyone.
@@vaibhavkulkarni2496 & even so what you said is true, are you saying it because you see the truth of it or because you heard Krishnamurti saying it. As for me, honestly I feel great relief when i hear him, It stays for sometime but then goes away and I come back to him. I am still in the dark but would keep hearing him with love and affection and even if I died in darkness, I won’t regret it as I will have lived a life of honest trying.
You? He just said there is no you 🤷🏻♂️
The only way to stop listening to him is practicing what he Says because in that time you will try to find something Higher than what you got..
I do respect and Appreciate this man truly I learned a lot from him and I’m still learning.. and And believe me when I say that this man for me until now is the most important human I have ever Listen to🙏🙏
I hope you get what I mean because I know that my English is not really good . I use Dictionary when I listen to Krishnamurti😁
Yes i listen him every day
I first met J. Krishnamurti when I was 25...
At that time, I was not ready to understand him. and I waited, I studied other philosophers in the mean time.
Now that I'm 29, he has finally awakened something in me. It has taken a few years but I'm here now.
I have just begun to see it. I know my path, there's a long road ahead and an exciting journey of awakening.
Just as J. Krishnamurti has pass his candle to me, I too, will do the same and honor his legacy.
He truly is an enlightened being.
What? J krishnamurti passed away decades ago.
Took me 2 years also
@@winterapplegamingYT203 He still lives.
@@winterapplegamingYT203 He didn't pass away but I see your point.
Long road & journey ?
It's now and here
At this very moment
This old man cried for mankind, it's so sad 🤧
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He didn't, it's an allergy. He mentioned that earlier.
Indeed his tears were for the stupidity of mankind
So much honest earnest in delivering a message is something we cannot expect to see in this era
Hats off to the pure soul
"If love is not put together by thought, then suffering has no relationship to it."
That is so incredibly insightful
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The love He speaks about is (Amor che move il sole e le altre stelle.)
If you don't follow, you miss. He is very fast.
Beautiful expressions.....
Love is absence of me....
Mind is wonderful tool when we use it for in right way.
Life is great and beautiful when we stop applying our conclusions and thoughts about
mister jk is a blessing to this world
what a thinker and perceiver of truth!!! amazing :0
His philosophy is very much align with Buddhist concept of emptiness. If there is no "I" there is no suffering. That doesen't mean we don't exist or empty...
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exactly
Don’t compare Buddhism with him. He was not into religion. Truth is a pathless journey.
To find myself, at the age of 38, so limited with my wrongfully educated / conditioned mind is sad. But sadness, time, comparing are the tricks of the ego.
you've figured it out far before others have. you've got lots of life left to live with this new understanding. enjoy it :)
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What a wonderful human being, we can feel the radiating love from him
Thank you very much for uploading this. Profound!!
I’m greatful to those who helped me see things for what they were at 18 and now at 27 I’m still learning these things it’s deep
Beautiful man ! True Buddha !
wow ...
Thank you
Beautiful video 🤩
SUFFERING has a centre in ME.When we attend to it with total energy , it transforms into love, compassion. Our actions do not act but intelligence acts. Energy wasted by thoughts transforms into intelligence...GREAT..AMAZING..SIR K NO ONE LIKE U .THANKS
Wht a beauty at last as he left..🙏🏼
"You are the problem, you are the trap."
Thankyou sir for this session 🙏🙏
Great Master
Krishnamurti is straight preaching!
I cried.
He is simply great❤
Very beautiful and authentic and clear cut insight in to SUFFERING
Really impressive ❤
Thank you very much for the subtitles
Stupendous 😮😮❤❤🙏🙏
The ending words might be the most powerful words I’ve ever heard spoken
You are intense because you have experienced it. The trigger is there. I am the same when an insight comes, and it also comes as an answer to a deep pain.
To be able to experience no pain, one needs to heal and give it a chance to have a different perspective. That perspective heals and re-educates the mind as well.
I am on this journey.
Many will say, "It is now or never!". So is bypassing. It needs undressing of all the conditioning that has constructed the whole sense of self.
Sir, i love you
Tq
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Why am i so intense about all this?
Why aren't you so intense.
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"The action of suffering is a continued action of the me modified n therefore constant conflict"
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Institution of humanity
Didn't understand.
Can somebody explain what actually he said with a metaphor, I am just dying to know what he has said for seeing such an pure and sheer intensity on his face, please somebody help ?
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It pisses me off that he is no longer with us
He cried
Alan Watts brought me to Bruce Lee brought me here.
Anthony de mello yt
I’ll look into his videos
Suffering proves the Existence of a God
So love is universal, and suffering is personal, even collective suffering is personal? If so, all suffering is temporary, and love is eternal. 😌
Love vs attachment chose love
Thanks a lot... Share this video... Pls share tamil translate subtitle video... Pls sir...
Action based on thought is root of suffering.... I'm scared
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No script?
When i see him speack i see a man that is a light for himself, but he can't be a light for me. I can't follow him in his path when he's speacking. I know im drowned in thought and i cant understand deeply what he's saying.
How can i find this place? This place where i can act not from thought?
Jiddu
I don't understand what he is trying to say. How thought is bad though pretty everything comes from it ?
And he didn't give the answer to his question, if it's not thought then what is the action of intelligence and therefore love ?
It's not a direct answer as I'm still learning from my own observations. I see that most of my actions come from thought and generally serve 'me'. Even what I consider 'love' is also is secretly my ego working to fulfil its agenda. From what I get, all he says is if you could observe your thoughts in action you can detach from it in a way that there is an end to suffering (since you're merely observing it happen) and from that detachment there is a possibility of your actions arising out of true love.
@@satyajeetprabhu thank you very much
@Nitin Vaja i'm 14 years old thank you for caring
Firstly K never preaches, he invites everyone to investigate, discuss and find for oneself all the answers. K says that if we can have the ability to intensely observe our pain,suffering without any evaluation by thought then that's the highest form of intelligence. We dissolve our being to become one with the observed.
Its not that thought is bad its that it is somewhat untamed or out of control. And he is saying it is untamed because it itself is kind of let go rampant unconsciously. But the job isn't to try to tame or control it, merely understand it. Perceive the "self" or thought with all its wants and desires, conflicts, fears etc. Understand how it works and that through all that real love cannot be. Thought itself then becomes more of a servant than a master or even a prison in which you are controlled. Which is essentially the intelligence in which he speaks of. He often will say "take a walk with me." Because he inviting you to look for yourself and to go through this process of understanding and intelligence with him or even on your own and gain insight.
So why do we suffer if we see animals being tortured not because of thought right? I don't understand him 😥
Go deep into why it is you suffer when an animal is tortured. For me the questioning goes like this:
-Why do you hurt when the animal is hurt?
"Because when I see/hear about it, that makes ME sad because I can't help but THINK about how bad I would feel if that happened to ME. Imagining the pain and relating it to MYSELF produces the pain."
The capitalization isn't yelling, just notice the significance of those words. That whole thought process is entirely self-serving and does nothing useful for the animal being hurt. This is not love, but a desire to remain unharmed yourself.
Pain is not necessary for loving action (like saving the animal) to take place.
@@murpieball3129 you are very smart. Care to explain me more videos? :)))
Buddhist point of view is that The basic nature of Human Being is compassion.. Mother love for child is a very basis reason for our survival. That why we develop empathy when we see some others being be tortured.
The I thinks therefore the I suffer
When observing the behaviour of human beings they looks very happy, perfect as though they have abundance of Love in their heart, their relationship with other human is perfectly normal, I don't see any problem personally with them and everything looks like a drama.
Interesting how this seems to focus merely on romantic love from what I gathered.
It is interesting also why do we separate into different kinds of love. Presence or absence of sexual desire changes it all?
This is very slippery to understand at first
I didn't understand the story about the teacher and the bird ...can anyone help me knowing ???
The essence of this story is how important it is for us to do deep listening. Listening with mind, heart and with every cell. So he listened to the bird in that way and demonstrated to his disciples how to do deep listening. His sermon was over because he showed by example what they should do. Many gurus like Ramana Maharshi and Meher Baba also didn’t speak much.
Interesting the way K ended this talk.... same as the preacher in his story ended the sermon!!
By leaving the audience like preacher in the story, was K trying to convey anything symbolically??
The bird's song was the sermon. A call back to the present moment. Nothing more is needed. That's how I interpreted it anyways.
What about someone whose kid dies of an overdose .. I know such a mom .. she loved her kid ...she suffered ..
If someone tries to follow him.. Or try what he says.. Suffering will exist but it will be as a rainy day.. Will arise and will go .. Like a flame.. The me won't keep it forever because there will be no me.. No identification with suffering...
There is an identification of “I” there. That is why. What is the essence of suffering? It is the essence of self centeredness that causes suffering. As he says at 12:52 “love is not put together by thought, but the “me” is put together by thought.
This is very difficult to understand. There are several kinds of suffering... He insists that all suffering is put together by thought. Thought is the product of the "me", the ego. But how not suffering when you see injustice, or killing of animals, or other humans suffering from any disgrace ? Compassion, solidarity ? He insists on "when there's love, there's no suffering"... How can I look all human suffering and not be touched by it ? How can I look at all human misery and not feeling sad ? 😯
Grace is the answer my friend, in grace you observe the suffering of others in true empty compassion.
Nice exit, but I will never call him a preacher.
I am sure he would appreciate it if you didn't.
@@murpieball3129 😂 yes, I think you are right about that.
The (me) can't never disappear..this is the biggest lie of krishnamurti...there is always thinking and where thinking is,there is a center..you can never escape from it..
Thank you
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